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prier
Little Aussie Battler
Joined: 30 Mar 2006
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Shulgin mentions MAOIs in A. baileyana during TIHKAL, Mulga mentions it on his website also... |
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Kristi
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Joined: 22 Jul 2006
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Location: WA
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| Posted: Mon Oct 02, 2006 12:39 am Post subject: |
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Well Ive decided that identifying plants sux bigtime...but I had to report in here to you that the ones that I HAD found science terrific names for are:
acacia maidenii (I think but Im going to take a sample to a nursery and double check that one).
acacia baileyana (there is alot of this near my home so I use this one alot
acacia podalyriifolia (this grows in perth too but there is alot of it down south).
And I have to double check the prickly one...
used for various smoking ceremonies.
cheers
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primalvibes
Bludger
Joined: 03 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:17 am Post subject: |
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| dom wrote: |
Hi Everyone,
In my non expert opinion, I would say it would have been pretty unlikely for aborigines to have been familiar with the magic of acacias.
Acacias may well have been used for other compounds they contained but not for DMT.
Inhaling smoke from bark or leaves alone would be very unlikely to have resulted in entheogenic effects, and oral use probably did not happen due to the lack of a suitable native MAO inhibitor.
Dom |
hi ya
There is a strong chance they did , as written in a diary from the 1860 s there is a entry of an experience that definatly describes the effects without a doubt, here a fresh faced white fella from england writes that after smoking a substance of leaf matter with a blob of something on top (gum ,resin )(ie snow cone) with the local mob that whammo , Spirits came out of the earth ground and trees, he then was catapulted to a higher plane ,where he describes that non visible elders , non verbally passed on great wisdom ,information to him ,  now that sounds like the galatic information zone ,level 5 ,description by noted explorers , hypothetically where resides the mass conscience and all thought forms
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JumpedAngel
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Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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Location: Melb
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| Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:41 pm Post subject: |
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Hi primalvibes! any chance of a reference?
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primalvibes
Bludger
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| Posted: Fri Jun 08, 2007 1:33 pm Post subject: |
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| JumpedAngel wrote: |
| Hi primalvibes! any chance of a reference? |
no worries , the reference is from a book by a good mate brett green from the tales of a warrior series based on diaries of his great great grandfather travels around the sunshine coast in the 1860 s interesting reading ie pyramid in gympie |
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JumpedAngel
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| Posted: Sat Jun 09, 2007 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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thank sprimalvibes
but I was really after author title type information so that I could track the book down for myself, I just love this kind of stuff
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cyberpagan
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2010 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yes and no.
Specific ritual use remains a: maybe.
Most aboriginal rituals have been kept a close secret.
Most of the active acacias were made into teas which were drunk as analgesics.
They were also used to stun fish in waterholes.
Occasionally their tree resin was simply eaten.
The tips of some active acacias were burned to ash combined with pituri for chewing.
In addition, there are a whole range of plants which contain psychoactive alkaloids in australia which have been used by aborigines as 'pain relief' that have not been studied in almost any detail, eg. ipomoea species, Alstonia Constricta, cherry trees.
In addition, there are probably over one hundred documented "tonics" used by aborigines.
It may interest you to know that the vast majority of the knowledge of aborigines and their medicines has been lost.
Almost all books on native medicines and bushfoods focus on central australian aboriginal knowledge.
This is where the most native land titles are, in deserts, where we can't farm. Hence, isolation and lack of urbanisation has preserved knowledge here. Elsewhere, we simply don't know.
source: anthropologist for 8 years.
read every book on native medicine and bushfood in australia available in metro area. |
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roughbarked
Jackaroo
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Location: not far from the Black Stump.
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thanks for a credible post cyberpagan
if the book was about the Gympie pyramid I'd probably discount its authenticity.
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eataust
Jillaroo
Joined: 11 Sep 2005
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Location: Tarago, NSW
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2010 10:39 am Post subject: |
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| JumpedAngel wrote: |
thank sprimalvibes
but I was really after author title type information so that I could track the book down for myself, I just love this kind of stuff |
Here's the National Library of Australia reference, and a list of libraries that hold the book, so you could look at it for yourself and judge its veracity/trustworthiness.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/12466462
This is the related reference for the complete "Tales of a Warrior" series: http://trove.nla.gov.au/work/35076759
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