Bloodwood Kino - Lesions

[clarity]

Hello all, I have been using Bloodwood Kino as a body wash for lesions that appear on my skin. I have suffered from these for the last 20 years or so...according to Drs these lesions are pockets of glass, glass from a windscreen from a car accident i was in at the age of 7. The only thing is they NEVER contain glass....
I have visited several Drs, dermatologists, cancer specialists etc and nobody can actually identify what is contained in these lesions...it is a long story, one I hope to have the answer to one day....
Anyways, NO prescribed medication has worked on healing these lesions...
Serendepity in my life once again prevailed...I bumped into an old friend and she suggested i go to see an aboriginal healer friend in regard to these lesions...which also cause other physical symptoms!
It was advised i boil up bloodwood kino and use it as a body wash, or make a stiffer mix and use it as a paste, left to harden over the lesion.
IT WORKS!!! After 2 months experimenting so to speak, it definately works.
On researching bloodwoods i noticed that there are many different types. I am wondering if there is a difference in the kino bacterial and fungal anticeptical qualities...ie:if one is better to use than another for a stronger effect? And what amount of kino should i dilute to water...ive been doing a teaspoon to about a cup of water, this works as the body wash...then i reheat it and reuse as necessary.
Thankyou for the site...its fantastic and full of great info

[JumpedAngel]

Hi clarity, nice to meet you and an excellent thread to open your account.

I'm just wondering what these lesions were like, I wouldn't mind a more comprehensive description of their life cycle, I've seen many kinds of lesions brought about by many different causes including extreme temperature changes (Antarctica to the Tropics).

In general many different bloodwood resins have a recorded use, these uses vary from disinfectants to pain killers, only very dilute or small sized solids were ever taken orally. descriptions of dilute solutions are vague with one description citing '...two spoons of kino to one tin of water', ofcourse we dont get to know what size spoon or tin, as a paste, tears were merely stood in a shallow dish of water until they soften to a jelly like consistancy or ground to a powder and mixed with water to similar effect, then smeared on to the affected area.

The dilute solution could be drunk in small quantities for coughs and colds, sometimes sweetened with sugar for bronchial diseases and lung and heart diseases also used as a mouth rinse for toothache, the kino itself being softened and used to plug holes in teeth to stop pain.

There are many different bloodwoods resins, some that may interest you are:-

Red Bloodwood (Eucalyptus corymbosa) - East Coast, Vic - Qld.
Uses: The gum is a good astringent and has been used traditionaly in treating venereal sores by both internal and external application, also said to cure ringworms.
Constituents: ellagic acid, kaempferol and aromadendrin.

Variable Barked Bloodwood (Eucalyptus dichromophloia, Corymbia opaca) - Northern NT, W.A. & red centre
Uses: Coughs, Colds, Toothache, Lung and Heart diseases. kino used as a rubbing medicine for scabies and other lumps under the skin, also for burns, a gargle for sore throats and as a wash for sore eyes. The Arrernte people describe how the old dry gum that looks like jelly crystals is collected from under the tree, it is ground and mixed with water to make a paste and this is applied onto boils causeing them to scab and draw out the puss that was making it sore.
Constituents: probably tannins

Longfruit Bloodwood (Eucalyptus polycarpa) - NW-NSW, inland QLD & NT
Uses: dysentery
Constituents: probably tannins

Mountain Bloodwood (Eucalyptus terminalis)
Uses: solution drunk for diarrhoea
Constituents: tannins

I'm afraid I can't answer the question you asked regarding the relative strengths of each variety, the best way to find out is to experiment and if you intend to do that I would also include the River Red Gum kino as that was often used as a substitute for all of the above.

[clarity]

Hi JumpedAngel,
Firstly, WOW ive been looking for you...your first paragraph says it all...I know im in the right place...thankyou, your also the first person to take an interest in my lesions!!
Secondly, thankyou so much for the info on the bloodwood kino. I will certainly look into the River Red Gum kino as well. I hadn't found any info on that but had my suspicions, that is great news.
Ok...the lesions...About 20 years ago they started appearing on my face, around my hairline and the back of my neck. Then around 14 years ago i noticed they were actually symetrical (appearing on opposite sides of my body) and by now were much worse and were appearing all over my body.
They start out as a small pimple, once the top is scratched and air seemingly gets to them they get aggravated. They then turn into a raised red round lesion consisting of little white heads, about the size of a hair follicle. Humidity, water and sunlight aggrivate them greatly. I have spent hours (and i mean hours and hours at a time) pulling the "white worm bits" out with tweezers. You just have to get them out, I know that sounds bizarre, its a feeling i cannot describe.
They have a pearly type of irridescent colour about them and are sticky to touch. They are solid and cannot be squashed or broken up by rolling between your fingers.
They sting and hurt like hell to pull out, and dont come easily, as if they have arms hanging on like little anchors. Once they are pulled out they bleed slightly out the follicle hole they have just been pulled from, then a clear/yellow fluid oozes and creates another top layer. Once this layer has hardened and you pull off the top, it pulls out a white bit attached to the skin tab. The process continues until all the white bits have been removed.
These lesions can last years! They will not heal until all the white bits are removed! They sting as if a needle is being constantly jabbed into your skin. They have a crawling sensation, are constantly painful and are very disfiguring. They also cause other physical dis-ease such as fatigue, brain fog, bone aches and pains and headaches are just a few!
Under a microscope these little white bits have irridescent, flouresent, pearly coloured dots through them. They also have what looks like a head and a mouth, they have hooks down the sides that resemble rose thorns (any wonder they sting) and they have a what appears to be a long hair like tail.
A Skin Cancer Dr once told me that there was parts of this that would not burn under extremely high temperatures.....but could not help me with any answers as to what it could be.
Drs do swabs to test for present infections, sometimes they find Staph present, but never any answsers as to what the lesion is..they say it is a surface infection...nobody will listen to the seemingly strange story of what these lesions contain..
The lesion i had removed (they were looking for glass and didnt find any) the biopsy report states it is "unidentifiable material, black specks and fibres".
Something is certainly happening here, im not dillusional, as has been suggested, amongst many other things...In my search (and its been a lengthy journey) I have come across big words such as Archaebacteria (well in America not Australian kingdoms?!), Protozoans, slimy mould etc, when i saw the pictures they looked awfully familiar to what i saw under the microscope and things started to make sense...but im afraid its an intelligence beyond me this lifetime lol...but some day somebody will work it out im sure.
I would be grateful for your feedback. I have a bottle of samples (in that preserving liquid stuff) sitting waiting for somebody to take an interest and put them under a microscope....one day
Meantime the bloodwood kino IS working...so is bathing in Boric Acid 3 times a week and using lemon myrtle soap...which confirms to me they consist of fungal and bacterial materials. The kino also draws out the white bits and heals the lesions quickly! Once the lesions heal, in turn my physical health improves...
I hope this makes some sense...I know it sounds bizarre..I would not believe it myself if I hadnt had to live it!! What a trip it's been...thanks so much for the feedback.

[cherax]

My God. That all sounds absolutely awful. Glad for you that something works! Is it at all possible that it is a parastic infection???
Just a thought.
A

[Thomas B]

Archaebacteria doesn't sound like a real possibility, as no organisms in this domain are multicellular or pathogens. Do they move after removal from the skin?

[JumpedAngel]

Cheers clarity, I am very happy for you that you have found at least a partial solution and some relief to your problems in Native medicine.

My own interests in ethnobotany are mostly in bush survival strategies as I spend as much time as I can out there and this sometimes necesitates an understanding of not only emergency food and water but also medicine, the really labourious part is that every locality represents an entirely different floral spectrum requiring more and more study.

I was considering a Queensland tribe up on the central coast over the last few days which would have used bloodwood kino during the wet season while they were bailed up among the rocks and caves along the hills and ranges, in a later season they would probably have moved out into the savanah country to do some fire-stick farming where they might have substituted chewing the leaves of the green plum for their dental problems and possibly river red gum resin for skin complaints, then perhaps in a later season again they might have crossed the ranges and moved down to the mangroves swamps to hunt where they would have used a paultice made from the leaves of the Avicennia tree (grey mangrove - Avicennia marina) for their skin complaints.

So you see the point is that with the nomadic lifstyle these people lived they actually required some kind of remedy in each vegetation zone they passed through rather than just one universal remedy and the question we should be asking is not which one is the strongest but rather what other effective remedies are there in my general area.

I have confirmed the use of River Red Gum (Eucalyptus camaldulensis) bark used for sores and skin complaints among the Arrernte of the central desert, however the River red gum is probably the most wide spread of all species and you will find it just about everywhere, this was made from the sticky inner bark of the tree, first it was pounded between rocks and mashed up then it was allowed to soak in water to make a wash, If you find a tree in your vicinity then you could try injuring it regularly and harvesting the tears to build up a supply of resin, a good sized chisel and hammer will do the trick.

Another medicine they used in the central desert and which might be available as a garden ornament is the emu bush (Eremophila longifolia) a few leaves would be ground up and the green liquid applied to sores of various kinds including scabies.

I can only guess at your illness, but it sounds very unusual, as a child I was isolated in a room at the Fairfield infectious diseases hospital for a couple of weeks when I broke out with large lesions all over my body, I was afraid to tell them but eventually they worked it out that it was a toxic reaction and that I was really too young to be playing with the chemistry set that I got for x-mas that year.

I brought a couple of unwanted passengers back with me from PNG about 20 years ago (skin diseases) and have been disappointed with the medical response ever since, I lost a lot of faith in a lot of ways about our supposedly scientific approach and not only for that but also for other medical problems that I've had to face every day ever since.

One thing I know is that these people are often incapable of taking into consideration anything that doesnt appear to be immediately connected with their field, how can a car accident cause a skin problem?, perhaps it was only a trigger, the seething boiling toxic plume of poisonous vapours breathed in as cooling fluids and lubricants splashed on to hot metal during the crash, a toxic trigger that lowered your resistance to other toxins which you would normally be immune to or to which you have now become allergic.

In any case the only other suggestion I can make at the moment and this is 'just an intuitive thought' is to check your air quality thoroughly, especially if you have been living in the same home all this time, if so then have the walls, ceiling, carpets and sub-floor checked out for damp and mould, check out that there is good ventilation at the sub-floor areas particularly if the house was built on a reclaimed swamp, a dump or a granite belt, Captain Cook lost more than half his remaining crew when he pulled the boat in at Batavia (now East Timor) to plug the hole in the hull due to the 'bad airs' of the nearby swamp, old tips also produce toxic and biohazardous gases and granite belts seep out radon gas this is toxic and radioactive, inside the house consideration should again be given to ventilation, just about everything we have inside the home these days is made of plastic, from the paint on the walls to the clothes in our coupboards, currently there is some controversy concerning the build up of a decomposition product from these plastics thought to be formaldehyde gas, a toxic and carcenogenic gas.

[roughbarked]

That was such a great and informative post Jumped Angel I just had to say so..

Yes i think I agreed with everything you said.

[geoff]

hi clarity
im new to the site and read your testimonial and thought u were speaking for me cause i have the exact same shit goin on. have u heard mogellons. ive tried everything and only seems to sooth the problem but no full cure. some of the things changin in my body are unexplainable im keen to give this red bloodwood a go evn it just helps the massive lumps and boils etc. im in pain and it gets worse at night its depressing especially when i have 2 awesome kids and constantly worrying about givin it to them. one thing i know its internal some sort of fungal infection. brain fog fatigue marks in my eyes i want to beat this and get back to the outgoin and happy person i used to be. any way could winge all night but if u have any suggestions would be more then happy to listen and try something. cheers and all the best to u. geoff

[roughbarked]

Just thought I should add that all bloodwoods have been reclassified in the last decade as a separate group from Eucalyptus and are now known as Corymbia. Just substitute Corymbia for wherever you see Eucalyptus above.

[tuesday]

hi clarity, just read this thread and what a shock! my sisters and i all have a similiar sounding skin complaint, though i don't think any of us have looked at these little things under a microscope. as you say, they just don't go away until you have all that little white centre OUT! we've never been able to get any sort of answer from drs as to what may be causing the problem, except possibly an infection in the hair follicles.

the three of us use a herbal oil developed in Singapore - WHITE FLOWER EMBROCATION - found in some chemists and our local Asian grocery store. it seems to dry the lumps out and the core of the lump is expelled much more rapidly than just sitting around waiting for the body to fix itself.

i have recently begun using a burn cream - SILVAZINE - it's a prescription only medication, quite expensive, but lasts for an incredibly long time. (i tend to be quite clumsy and have silly little accidents, whenever the chronic pain levels are out of control) the cream has helped to heal the sores left behind, more quickly than anything else i've tried.

i'm discovering silver is a very powerful anti-bacterial healing agent. i'm yet to try silver water, which is a solution of suspended silver particles in water created by an electrical current being passed through silver-coated electrodes sitting in pure water. maybe i can try the bloodwoods first, if nothing else it's much cheaper.

oh and oddly enough, after a visit to my chiropractor (for migraine relief), these little lumps will actually settle down for a while.